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		<title>By: passerby</title>
		<link>http://armchairtheorist.com/2008/11/12/when-did-singapore-expats-become-so-egotistical/#comment-5505</link>
		<dc:creator>passerby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 05:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kubes is one Aussie expat who has stayed in Sing for more than 10 years.   He seems to have a pathological obsession with denigrating everything about Singapore even though he claimed to love this place.

 His level of animosity to anything Singaporean really does raise the question - why is he here in the first place and for an extended period of time? While criticism is fine and healthy doses of it are great, a little bit of graciousness towards your host country is also sometimes in order. I never find Kubes expressing even a tiny bit of that, it&#039;s a constant tiresome stream of negativity from him. Below is an extract of what was posted by him early last year:-

&quot;Imagine a place where the Govt protects the simpleton populace from the realities of natural capitalist markets; where untold tens of billions are spent to protect jobs;  where individuals&#039; financial decisions are not made based on macro economic principles, ability to pay or needs, but on what friends and families say;  where nearly everyone is KIASU and live everyday in abject terror of missing out;  where &quot;herd mentality&quot; and &quot;group think&quot; dominates nearly all elements of society to the extent people can&#039;t make their own decisions resulting in hundreds of thousands of foreign business managers and leaders (talents) brought in to lead nearly all serious business activities in the country;  where 80% of the people can&#039;t understand why their housing is barely above 3rd-world standards yet is the most expensive in the world at that quality level;  where citizens and economists can&#039;t understand how per capita GDP is 400% higher than median income;  where 65% of citizens declare they would emigrate if given the chance;  where no one ever questions or challenges the benevolent leadership told for fear of massive retribution;  where people are sheltered from bad news but a bombarded with limitless good news; where the citizens are wrapped in cotton-wool and believe they will be looked after no matter want happens.

Imagine a country where nothing is real; where irrational things are normal;  where gross incompetence and negligence is ignored or denied;  where face is more important that respect, honor or integrity;  where rampant greed, fear of losing and stupidity are in limitless supply.

Imagine all these things, and you should not be surprised that property prices could rise at the early stage of deepest recession (near depression) in the country&#039;s history, when GDP could decline nearly 10%; while its global markets have completely collapsed with no obvious upside on the 1 or 2 year horizon.

When you imagine all these things, you have reached of end of the rainbow and the end of yellow brick road:     Uniquely Singapore - the World&#039;s only Reality Free Zone.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kubes is one Aussie expat who has stayed in Sing for more than 10 years.   He seems to have a pathological obsession with denigrating everything about Singapore even though he claimed to love this place.</p>
<p> His level of animosity to anything Singaporean really does raise the question &#8211; why is he here in the first place and for an extended period of time? While criticism is fine and healthy doses of it are great, a little bit of graciousness towards your host country is also sometimes in order. I never find Kubes expressing even a tiny bit of that, it&#8217;s a constant tiresome stream of negativity from him. Below is an extract of what was posted by him early last year:-</p>
<p>&#8220;Imagine a place where the Govt protects the simpleton populace from the realities of natural capitalist markets; where untold tens of billions are spent to protect jobs;  where individuals&#8217; financial decisions are not made based on macro economic principles, ability to pay or needs, but on what friends and families say;  where nearly everyone is KIASU and live everyday in abject terror of missing out;  where &#8220;herd mentality&#8221; and &#8220;group think&#8221; dominates nearly all elements of society to the extent people can&#8217;t make their own decisions resulting in hundreds of thousands of foreign business managers and leaders (talents) brought in to lead nearly all serious business activities in the country;  where 80% of the people can&#8217;t understand why their housing is barely above 3rd-world standards yet is the most expensive in the world at that quality level;  where citizens and economists can&#8217;t understand how per capita GDP is 400% higher than median income;  where 65% of citizens declare they would emigrate if given the chance;  where no one ever questions or challenges the benevolent leadership told for fear of massive retribution;  where people are sheltered from bad news but a bombarded with limitless good news; where the citizens are wrapped in cotton-wool and believe they will be looked after no matter want happens.</p>
<p>Imagine a country where nothing is real; where irrational things are normal;  where gross incompetence and negligence is ignored or denied;  where face is more important that respect, honor or integrity;  where rampant greed, fear of losing and stupidity are in limitless supply.</p>
<p>Imagine all these things, and you should not be surprised that property prices could rise at the early stage of deepest recession (near depression) in the country&#8217;s history, when GDP could decline nearly 10%; while its global markets have completely collapsed with no obvious upside on the 1 or 2 year horizon.</p>
<p>When you imagine all these things, you have reached of end of the rainbow and the end of yellow brick road:     Uniquely Singapore &#8211; the World&#8217;s only Reality Free Zone.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://armchairtheorist.com/2008/11/12/when-did-singapore-expats-become-so-egotistical/#comment-3218</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 03:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you sure you could understand the accent??</description>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenny, I certainly can relate to your sentiment.

However, I&#039;m not sure if there is any feasible way to screen employment pass applicants based on their actual &quot;talent&quot; or &quot;skill&quot; level.

Also, you have to remember that there are two reasons why companies here hire foreigners: a) because they have skills that locals here don&#039;t have, and b) because they are cheaper than comparable local talents.

It is possible that the foreign colleague that you mentioned above falls in the latter category instead of the former...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenny, I certainly can relate to your sentiment.</p>
<p>However, I&#8217;m not sure if there is any feasible way to screen employment pass applicants based on their actual &#8220;talent&#8221; or &#8220;skill&#8221; level.</p>
<p>Also, you have to remember that there are two reasons why companies here hire foreigners: a) because they have skills that locals here don&#8217;t have, and b) because they are cheaper than comparable local talents.</p>
<p>It is possible that the foreign colleague that you mentioned above falls in the latter category instead of the former&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I once worked with an Indian colleague (from India). She was very condescending and had the cheek to tell me (&amp; other locals) how smart she was, and how stupid Singaporeans are. Frankly, the effort she put in, while not little, was not enough to put her in a &quot;talent&quot; category. There should be tighter controls to ensure that such fake talent like my ex-colleague and Kubes are not even granted an E-pass in first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once worked with an Indian colleague (from India). She was very condescending and had the cheek to tell me (&amp; other locals) how smart she was, and how stupid Singaporeans are. Frankly, the effort she put in, while not little, was not enough to put her in a &#8220;talent&#8221; category. There should be tighter controls to ensure that such fake talent like my ex-colleague and Kubes are not even granted an E-pass in first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All valid points.

I agree that there really isn&#039;t much that separates an expat from a local today, if you only consider raw ability. What difference there may be, is entirely psychological or stereotypical.

And while it&#039;s convenient to blame the government for everything, this expat vs. local thing really in my opinion is the doing of poor government social policies over the years. 

It&#039;s the government that tailors our education and social policies to groom a generation of obedient, risk-adverse workers. It&#039;s the government which miscalculated population projections a decade ago. It&#039;s the government which decided that it was a good idea to give university scholarships to foreign students over local students.

I also agree that if discontent towards expats did exist in heartlanders today, it&#039;s not entirely reasonable. However, years of sweetening the deal for foreigners to come over with special perks perhaps helped contribute towards this phenomenon. The government &quot;defense&quot; is purely trying to address the symptoms way after the fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All valid points.</p>
<p>I agree that there really isn&#8217;t much that separates an expat from a local today, if you only consider raw ability. What difference there may be, is entirely psychological or stereotypical.</p>
<p>And while it&#8217;s convenient to blame the government for everything, this expat vs. local thing really in my opinion is the doing of poor government social policies over the years. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s the government that tailors our education and social policies to groom a generation of obedient, risk-adverse workers. It&#8217;s the government which miscalculated population projections a decade ago. It&#8217;s the government which decided that it was a good idea to give university scholarships to foreign students over local students.</p>
<p>I also agree that if discontent towards expats did exist in heartlanders today, it&#8217;s not entirely reasonable. However, years of sweetening the deal for foreigners to come over with special perks perhaps helped contribute towards this phenomenon. The government &#8220;defense&#8221; is purely trying to address the symptoms way after the fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Sau Sheong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sau Sheong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting thoughts. I&#039;ve been in Singapore for the past 17 years. Being from Malaysia, I don&#039;t consider myself as &#039;foreign talent&#039; (this really needs proper definition -- how far away is foreign?). In reality, Singapore, like many young nations, has a population that is mostly made up of immigrants. A HDB heartlander today was probably an immigrant 1 - 2 generations ago.

Personally, I think the comments by Mr. Kubes are off, esp on the second reply (yes, I read the forum thread), it&#039;s not an uncommon one by any immature and probably young person, regardless heartlander or expat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting thoughts. I&#8217;ve been in Singapore for the past 17 years. Being from Malaysia, I don&#8217;t consider myself as &#8216;foreign talent&#8217; (this really needs proper definition &#8212; how far away is foreign?). In reality, Singapore, like many young nations, has a population that is mostly made up of immigrants. A HDB heartlander today was probably an immigrant 1 &#8211; 2 generations ago.</p>
<p>Personally, I think the comments by Mr. Kubes are off, esp on the second reply (yes, I read the forum thread), it&#8217;s not an uncommon one by any immature and probably young person, regardless heartlander or expat.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandeep</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandeep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Stephan - however there is another side. I have been here 18 years and it&#039;s now that I have started seeing discussion in newspapers etc on the role of the expats (especially PRs) and the government defending it. The defense is nice - but why the question? Is there some discontent among Singaporeans on the expats value-add? I don&#039;t understand why that has happened. For me, after being 18 years here - this is home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Stephan &#8211; however there is another side. I have been here 18 years and it&#8217;s now that I have started seeing discussion in newspapers etc on the role of the expats (especially PRs) and the government defending it. The defense is nice &#8211; but why the question? Is there some discontent among Singaporeans on the expats value-add? I don&#8217;t understand why that has happened. For me, after being 18 years here &#8211; this is home.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephan H. Wissel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephan H. Wissel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As one of the expats having worked with you....
(Actually I see myself rather a migrant). The whole native vs. Expat discussion is rife with Cliche. Our own comedians poke fun on that (where &quot;our&quot; means Singapore&#039;s). What might be at the root of it? First of all, Cliches take decades to form, so a current Cliche might reflect a 20 or 30 year old situation. When I compare myself with Singaporean I can&#039;t see differences in the level and quality of education today (other than they typically have more papers to show). However I see a historic difference on two accounts. Singaporeans in general haven&#039;t been the most adventurous type (and a set of outstanding individuals won&#039;t disprove the general fact) and looked after by the government, while to become an expat you had to have some readiness for adventure. Secondly companies tend to send experts overseas, so the sample of people you compare is distorted. Once a cab driver told me: &quot;Boh, all Euroeans are so smart&quot;, where I had to reply: &quot;We have our fair share of dumb ones too, but they will never make it to Singapore&quot;.
Once you compare similar samples of people (same educational background) only the readiness for adventure (like speaking up) would remain as distinctive factor. And there I can&#039;t see a difference with the current generation anymore.
My 2c
:-) stw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As one of the expats having worked with you&#8230;.<br />
(Actually I see myself rather a migrant). The whole native vs. Expat discussion is rife with Cliche. Our own comedians poke fun on that (where &#8220;our&#8221; means Singapore&#8217;s). What might be at the root of it? First of all, Cliches take decades to form, so a current Cliche might reflect a 20 or 30 year old situation. When I compare myself with Singaporean I can&#8217;t see differences in the level and quality of education today (other than they typically have more papers to show). However I see a historic difference on two accounts. Singaporeans in general haven&#8217;t been the most adventurous type (and a set of outstanding individuals won&#8217;t disprove the general fact) and looked after by the government, while to become an expat you had to have some readiness for adventure. Secondly companies tend to send experts overseas, so the sample of people you compare is distorted. Once a cab driver told me: &#8220;Boh, all Euroeans are so smart&#8221;, where I had to reply: &#8220;We have our fair share of dumb ones too, but they will never make it to Singapore&#8221;.<br />
Once you compare similar samples of people (same educational background) only the readiness for adventure (like speaking up) would remain as distinctive factor. And there I can&#8217;t see a difference with the current generation anymore.<br />
My 2c<br />
 <img src='http://armchairtheorist.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  stw</p>
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		<title>By: iCars</title>
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		<dc:creator>iCars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe Singaporeans are well-educated and have the opportunities to be experienced enough to rival expats anytime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe Singaporeans are well-educated and have the opportunities to be experienced enough to rival expats anytime.</p>
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